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Episode 42 - Service Without Compromise? Inside KodKod and Maalot Tzur
Episode 42 - Service Without Compromise? Inside KodKod and Maalot Tzur
Nov 11, 2026
58:55
In this episode, I speak with Ori Eisenberg, president of KodKod, Malot Sur and related initiatives that create serious, religiously sensitive pathways for Haredi men to enter army service, technology, skilled trades and the workforce. Ori shares his own journey from Israeli yeshiva life to the United States, MIT and the business world, and then back to Israel during the war. We discuss his family background in Poalei Agudat Yisrael, a world that combined Torah seriousness with openness to work, education and civic responsibility, and why he believes that some of those older models may be needed again today. The conversation focuses on the practical work of building alternatives for Haredi men who need a path beyond full-time learning, but who also need to preserve their Torah identity. Ori explains the development of JBH, KodKod and Malot Sur, including tracks in software, cyber, electronics and technical roles inside the IDF (Israel Defense Forces), with Torah learning, rabbinic guidance and a Haredi environment built into the model. We also discuss the legacy of Rabbi Yaakov Farber, who helped build Malot Sur and passed away at only 31. Ori’s Tzarich Iyun essay about him, “When Deeds Exceed Wisdom: Remembering Rabbi Yaakov Farber,” explores how Rabbi Farber embodied action, humility, Hasidic devotion and the courage to build something many people thought impossible. Read Ori’s article here: https://iyun.org.il/en/maremakom/when-deeds-exceed-wisdom-remembering-rabbi-yaakov-farber/ This is a conversation about Haredi society, Torah, army service, work, technology, integration, modernity, rabbinic leadership, October 7th and the search for models that can serve both Klal Yisrael (the Jewish people) and the spiritual integrity of the Haredi community.For more quality content, join our weekly newsletter: https://iyun.org.il/en/join-our-newsletterOur Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Tzarichiyun